healthy debate

ok, lets open this forum with a bang.

Is anyone else on here fed up to the high teeth with all the talk on brexit. Its on the news every evening, even when there's nothing to report, they may spend umpteen minutes reporting on nothing to report, dragging out obscure experts from anywhere they can find them just to report on nothing.


And whilst I am here, Catalonia, they want independence, why not let them go? If someone doesn't want to be part of a "club", let them leave, they can never be an effective "club member" if they don't want to be involved.

It seems at the moment, lots of countries or clans or groups, want to go it alone, Scotland keep grumbling about another referendum, the Kurds, Catalonia and Brexit. Does no-one yet realise we don't want to be a part of the one world order.

now i'll sit back and watch the action

Hi Monst, sorry to disappoint you but we don't have a telly here so we don't have to listen to the long news programmes, just the headlines on the radio which is just enough to know whats going on. But totally agree with you about letting them leave if they want to. There is no way all countries should have to behave the same as then there would be no difference between them and no point in visiting. Its the differences that make countries worth visiting.

Deryn wrote:Hi Monst, sorry to disappoint you but we don't have a telly here ...............

no apologies necessary deryn, the quality of tv is worthy of a debate all its own, we never had a telly in the UK, primarily because of the excessive tv licence fee, for 4 channels which mainly show reality tv or repeats. when I was registered disabled over here, we got a free tv licence so we got freesat. so now we have 280 channels of reality tv and repeats, with added foreign channels, porn or god talk. (all of which get deleted I may add) Happy days!!!

Only silver lining is, there are some good news channels. We avoid BBC or SKY news with their biased views, and tend toward France24, they give a much rounder view of world news.

Cheers monst

Interest posts. For my two penneth. We have far too much emphasis on politics for everything. No matter what the subject is the debates are always dominated by politics. Brexit is proceeding by those not in the public view. Politicians are just mouthpieces and have little to do with the actual work but are there to take the credit for their party. Brexit is far too important to be left to just one party to decide the outcome. I am not one much for committees, but Brexit needs one. Not with politicians at the table but experts in their field. The best their is. As to people wanting their independence, good luck to them all. I would add the caveat. From frying pan into the fire! Providing these people can survive and prosper, why not?. With all these smaller countries trying to join the EU makes me think of the two world wars to stop just that. Lets face it. We are fine in groups but as the group gets bigger it collapses. Always has done and always will. We humans work well and efficient as small groups.

So things have apparently moved on a pace judging by Theresa Mays comments. Lots going on behind the scenes apparently. The impression that I got is that the negotiations are practically complete. It is only the EU politicians dragging their feet. A thing politicians are prone to do for no  good reason. Only politics

Well, my position is this: good on the British people who saved the world from the fascist onslaught of Hitler and are standing up for their own independence! You can say what you like about the English -and they blackguarded Ireland for centuries - but, without them, Europe would have collapsed under Hitler. A very wise, but uneducated, man - Tim Buckley from Gougane Barra (find "The Tailor and Ansty" - and read it!) said that the government of England, who inflicted such hardship upon the Irish people also inflicted the same hardship upon the English people. That's why, in my book, English people are more than welcome in rural Ireland. And, moreover, they should insist upon their independence from the EU - and if the Irish government had any balls, they'd follow Britain. What we need is an Irish Nigel Farage!

Is heritage a thing to be proud of? A simple question yes but not one that has a simple answer. We judge historical events by today's standards which misses the point. During Britain's empire building days expansionism was rife through many powerful countries of the world. Nothing new here of course. The Celts had their day displacing many indigenous people only to be replaced themselves by the Romans. Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans. etc etc. and now The United States of Europe. The difference now is that expansionism is unacceptable even though some still try it. To pick up a point that Sean made. The dreadful corn laws that existed at the time of the black famine, that were far to slow to be repealed to help the starving people was hindered by politics. There were people starving in the midlands at the time and it was deemed to be political suicide to make Ireland a special case as the UK peasants would also demand to be a special case also. F*****g politicians, Blackguards indeed. I could go on about Hitler, Cromwell etc but Nuff said. As to Nigel Farage!!!. I am not a fan but he did get the ball rolling. Something of which I am grateful.